Old Cumbria Gazetteer - Brothers Water

Brothers Water

runs into:-

Goldrill Beck

Broad Water

civil parish:-

Patterdale (formerly Westmorland)

county:-

Cumbria

locality type:-

lake

coordinates:-

NY40291274 (etc)

1Km square:-

NY4012

10Km square:-

NY41

BQT20.jpg (taken 9.6.2009)
photograph

BQT21.jpg (taken 9.6.2009)

evidence:-

old map:- OS County Series (Wmd 19 3)
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Maps, County Series maps of Great Britain, scales 6 and 25 inches to 1 mile, published by the Ordnance Survey, Southampton, Hampshire, from about 1863 to 1948.

evidence:-

old map:- Mercator 1595 (edn?)
placename:-

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, Westmorlandia, Lancastria, Cestria etc, ie Westmorland, Lancashire, Cheshire etc, scale about 10.5 miles to 1 inch, by Gerard Mercator, Duisberg, Germany, 1595, edition 1613-16.

MER5WmdA.jpg
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outline, coast shaded, tinted blue; lake
item:- Armitt Library : 2008.14.3
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evidence:-

old map:- Morden 1695 (Wmd)
placename:- Broader Water

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, Westmorland, scale about 2.5 miles to 1 inch, by Robert Morden, published by Abel Swale, the Unicorn, St Paul's Churchyard, Awnsham, and John Churchill, the Black Swan, Paternoster Row, London, 1695.

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"Broader water"
Outline, no shore shading, not tinted, the road running through it.
item:- JandMN : 24
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evidence:-

probably old map:- Badeslade 1742
placename:-

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, A Map of Westmorland North from London, scale about 10 miles to 1 inch, with descriptive text, by Thomas Badeslade, London, engraved and published by William Henry Toms, Union Court, Holborn, London, 1742.

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BD12.jpg
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outline with form lines
item:- Dove Cottage : 2007.38.62
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evidence:-

probably old map:- Simpson 1746 map (Wmd)

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, Westmorland, scale about 8 miles to 1 inch, printed by R Walker, Fleet Lane, London, 1746.

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Outline with form lines; drained by the wrong river.
item:- Dove Cottage : 2007.38.59
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evidence:-

old map:- Jefferys 1770 (Wmd)
placename:- Broader Water

source data:-

Map, 4 sheets, The County of Westmoreland, scale 1 inch to 1 mile, surveyed 1768, and engraved and published by Thomas Jefferys, London, 1770.

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"Broader Water"
outline with form lines; lake or tarn
item:- National Library of Scotland : EME.s.47
Image © National Library of Scotland

evidence:-

old map:- West 1784 map
placename:- Broad Water

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, A Map of the Lakes in Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancashire, scale about 3.5 miles to 1 inch, engraved by Paas, 53 Holborn, London, about 1784.

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item:- Armitt Library : A1221.1
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evidence:-

old text:- Clarke 1787
placename:-  Broadwater
placename:-  Brotherwater
item:-  placename, Brothers Water; accident; drowning

source data:-

Guide book, A Survey of the Lakes of Cumberland, Westmorland, and Lancashire, written and published by James Clarke, Penrith, Cumberland, and in London etc, 1787; published 1787-93.

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Page 153:- "..."
"... Broadwater, called by some Brotherwater, a lake, about half a mile long, and near as much broad, close on the side of which we pass. ..."
"... In Broadwater, or Brotherwater, two young men, (brothers) were drowned together in December 1785, by the ice breaking under them. The inhabitants have a tradition that"

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Page 154:- "it received its name of Brotherwater from the like circumstance happening once before. ..."

evidence:-

old map:- Cary 1789 (edn 1805)
placename:- Broader Water

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, Westmoreland, scale about 2.5 miles to 1 inch, by John Cary, London, 1789; edition 1805.

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"Broader Water"
outline with shore form lines; lake or tarn
item:- JandMN : 129
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evidence:-

old map:- Cooke 1802
placename:- Broad Water

source data:-

Map, The Lakes, Westmorland and Cumberland, scale about 8.5 miles to 1 inch, engravedby Neele and Son, published by Sherwood, Jones and Co, Paternoster Road, London, 1824.

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GRA1Lk.jpg
"Broad W."
outline with form lines; lake or tarn
item:- Hampshire Museums : FA2000.62.5
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evidence:-

old print:- Green 1804 (plate 30)
placename:- Brother Water

source data:-

Print, uncoloured aquatint, Brother Water, descending from Kirkstone, Patterdale, Westmorland, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1804.

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Plate 30 from a series.
printed at bottom:- "Brother Water, / descending from Kirkstone. / Drawn and Engraved by Wm. Green, and Published at Ambleside, June 24, 1804."
printed at top right:- "30"
item:- Armitt Library : 2014.178
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evidence:-

old map:- Laurie and Whittle 1806
placename:- Broader Water

source data:-

Road map, Completion of the Roads to the Lakes, scale about 10 miles to 1 inch, by Nathaniel Coltman? 1806, published by Robert H Laurie, 53 Fleet Street, London, 1834.

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Lw18.jpg
"Broader Water"
lake
item:- private collection : 18.18
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evidence:-

old map:- Cooper 1808

source data:-

Map, hand coloured engraving, Westmoreland ie Westmorland, scale about 9 miles to 1 inch, by H Cooper, 1808, published by R Phillips, Bridge Street, Blackfriars, London, 1808.

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COP4.jpg
outline, shaded; lake
item:- Dove Cottage : 2007.38.53
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evidence:-

old text:- Green 1810
placename:- Brother Water

source data:-

Set of prints, soft ground etchings, Sixty Studies from Nature, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, drawn 1808-10, published 1810.

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page 111:- "..."
"The views round Brother Water are sublime, the vale is fertile and clothed in wood, which diminishes in quantity as it ascends the mountains, and is generally in excellent distribution: ..."

evidence:-

old print:- Wilkinson 1810 (plate 45)
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Print, uncoloured soft ground etching, View near Brothers Water, Westmorland, by Joseph Wilkinson, engraved by William Frederick Wells, published by R Ackermann, Repository of Arts, 101 Strand, London, 1810.

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Plate 45 in Select Views in Cumberland, Westmoreland, and Lancashire.
printed at bottom left, right, centre:- "The Revd. Jos. Wilkinson delt. / W. F. Wells Sculpt. / View near Brothers-water / Publish'd Jany. 1. 1810. by R. Ackerman. 101. Strand. London."
item:- Fell and Rock Climbing Club : MN4.45
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evidence:-

old text:- Wordsworth 1810
placename:- Broaderwater
item:- accident; drowning

source data:-

Guide book, A Description of the Scenery of the Lakes, later A Guide through the District of The Lakes, by William Wordsworth, 1810-35.

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page 128 "... where lies the little lake of Brotherswater, named in old maps Broaderwater, and probably rightly so; for Bassenthwaite-mere at this day, is familiarly called Broadwater; but the change in the appellation of this small lake or pool (if it be a corruption) may have been assisted by some melancholy accident similar to what happened about twenty years ago, when two brothers were drowned there, having gone out to take their holiday pleasure upon the ice on a new-year's day."

evidence:-

old print:- Green 1814 (plate 48)
placename:- Brother Water
item:- cattle

source data:-

Print, tinted soft ground etching, Brother Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1814.

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Plate 48 in Sixty Small Prints.
printed at top right:- "48"
printed at bottom:- "BROTHER WATER. / Published at Ambleside Augst. 1, 1814, by Wm. Green."
item:- Armitt Library : A6653.48
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evidence:-

old print:- Green 1814 (plate 48)
placename:- Brother Water
item:- cattle

source data:-

Print, uncoloured soft ground etching, Brother Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1814.

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Plate 48 in Sixty Small Prints.
printed at top right:- "48"
printed at bottom:- "BROTHER WATER. / Published at Ambleside Augst. 1, 1814, by Wm. Green."
item:- Armitt Library : A6656.48
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evidence:-

old text:- Green 1814
placename:- Brother Water

source data:-

Set of prints, soft ground etchings, Sixty Small Prints, with text, A Description of a Series of Sixty Small Prints, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1814.

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page 27:- "..."
"BROTHER WATER."
"The road to Ulls Water from Ambleside, which is by Brother Water, is wild and mountainous; ..."
"The views round Brother Water are sublime; the vale is fertile, and cloathed in wood, which diminishes in quantity as its ascends the mountains, and is generally in excellent distribution."

evidence:-

old print:- Green 1815
placename:- Brother Water
item:- sheep; clouds

source data:-

Print, coloured aquatint, Brother Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, by William Green, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1815.

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GN0517.jpg
From the Kirkstone Pass.
Plate 18 in Lake Scenery.
printed at upper right:- "18"
printed at bottom:- "BROTHER WATER. / Published at Ambleside, June 1, 1815, by Wm. Green."
item:- Armitt Library : A6646.17
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evidence:-

old map:- Otley 1818

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, The District of the Lakes, Cumberland, Westmorland, and Lancashire, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, by Jonathan Otley, 1818, engraved by J and G Menzies, Edinburgh, Scotland, published by Jonathan Otley, Keswick, Cumberland, et al, 1833.

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item:- JandMN : 48.1
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evidence:-

old print:- Fielding and Walton 1821 (plate 47)
placename:- Broader Water

source data:-

Print, coloured aquatint, Broader Water, ie Brothers Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, drawn by John Walton, published by R Ackermann, 101 Strand, London, 1821.

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FW0147.jpg
Viewed from Kirkstone Pass.
Tipped in opposite p.280 in A Picturesque Tour of the English Lakes.
item:- Dove Cottage : 1993.R566.47
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evidence:-

descriptive text:- Otley 1823 (5th edn 1834)
placename:- Brother Water
item:- drowning; ice

source data:-

Guide book, A Concise Description of the English Lakes, the mountains in their vicinity, and the roads by which they may be visited, with remarks on the mineralogy and geology of the district, by Jonathan Otley, published by the author, Keswick, Cumberland now Cumbria, by J Richardson, London, and by Arthur Foster, Kirkby Lonsdale, Cumbria, 1823; published 1823-49, latterly as the Descriptive Guide to the English Lakes.

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Page 10:- "..."
"BROTHER WATER,"
"- So called from the circumstance of two brothers having been drowned together, by the breaking of the ice - is a small lake, situate in that part of Patterdale called Hartshop, on the road leading to Ambleside."

evidence:-

descriptive text:- Ford 1839 (3rd edn 1843)
placename:-  Brothers Water
placename:-  Brother Water
item:-  depth, Brothers Water

source data:-

Guide book, A Description of Scenery in the Lake District, by Rev William Ford, published by Charles Thurnam, Carlisle, by W Edwards, 12 Ave Maria Lane, Charles Tilt, Fleet Street, William Smith, 113 Fleet Street, London, by Currie and Bowman, Newcastle, by Bancks and Co, Manchester, by Oliver and Boyd, Edinburgh, and by Sinclair, Dumfries, 1839.

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Page 149:- "..."
"BROTHER WATER."
"At Cowbridge is the outlet of this pretty sheet of water, which is situated in a fertile vale, clothed with wood. On its western side, near the head, stands the ancient and lowly Hall of Hartshope. This water may be readily circumambulated, and the views around it are sublime. It is fed by Kirkstone Beck, and that which rises under Dove Crag, which issues from a cove richly decorated with native wood; from this recess there is a view backwards on the gleaming surface of Brother Water, and forwards to the precipitous sides and lofty ridges of Dove Crag."

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Page 177:- "A TABLE"
"OF THE LENGTH, BREADTH, &c. OF THE LAKES,"
"COLLECTED FROM DIFFERENT AUTHORITIES."


No.	Names of Lakes.	Height above sea in feet.	Length in miles.	Breadth in miles.	Depth in fathoms.

11	Brothers Water		¾ -	½ -	12 -

evidence:-

old map:- Ford 1839 map
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Map, uncoloured engraving, Map of the Lake District of Cumberland, Westmoreland and Lancashire, scale about 3.5 miles to 1 inch, published by Charles Thurnam, Carlisle, and by R Groombridge, 5 Paternoster Row, London, 3rd edn 1843.

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"Brothers Water"
Outline.
item:- JandMN : 100.1
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evidence:-

old map:- Garnett 1850s-60s H
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Map of the English Lakes, in Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancashire, scale about 3.5 miles to 1 inch, published by John Garnett, Windermere, Westmorland, 1850s-60s.

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"Brothers Water"
outline with shore form lines, lake or tarn
item:- JandMN : 82.1
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evidence:-

old print:- Pyne 1853
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Print, tinted lithograph, Brothers Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, by James Baker Pyne, engraved by W Gauci, published by Thomas Agnew and Sons, Manchester, Lancashire, 1853.

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"PAINTED BY J. B. PYNE. / W. GAUCI LITH. / MANCHESTER, PUBLISHED BY THOMAS AGNEW & SONS, 1853. / Brothers Water / M & N HANHART IMPT."
item:- Armitt Library : A6678.16
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evidence:-

old print:- Pyne 1853
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Print, coloured lithograph, Brothers Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, by James Baker Pyne, engraved by W Gauci, published by Thomas Agnew and Sons, Manchester, Lancashire, 1853.

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PYN415.jpg
item:- Armitt Library : A6677.16
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evidence:-

old text:- Martineau 1855
placename:- Brothers' Water
item:- accident; drowning

source data:-

Guide book, A Complete Guide to the English Lakes, by Harriet Martineau, published by John Garnett, Windermere, Westmorland, and by Whittaker and Co, London, 1855; published 1855-76.

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Page 37:- "... the little lake of Brothers' Water lying below [the Kirkstone Pass], afar off among the green levels; ..."
"..."

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Page 105:- "... Brothers' Water derives its name from the accident - which is said to have happened twice,- of brothers being lost in it, in the attempt of one to save the other. On one of the two occasions, the accident happened through the breaking of the ice, when the brothers were making a venturesome short cut across it to church. ..."

evidence:-

old text:- Martineau 1855
placename:- Brothers' Water
item:- depth, Brothers Water

source data:-

Guide book, A Complete Guide to the English Lakes, by Harriet Martineau, published by John Garnett, Windermere, Westmorland, and by Whittaker and Co, London, 1855; published 1855-76.

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Page 180:- "A TABLE OF THE LENGTH, BREADTH, AND DEPTH OF THE LAKES."
"No. : Names of Lakes. : Counties : Length in Miles. : Extreme breadth in Miles : Extreme depth in Feet : Height above the Sea"
"4 : Brothers' Water : Westmorland : 0¾ : ½: 72 : -"

evidence:-

old print:- Payn 1867
placename:- Brothers' Water
item:- cart

source data:-

Print, uncoloured engraving, Kirkstone Pass and Brothers' Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, by T L Aspland, published by J Garnett, Windermere, Westmorland, 1867.

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PN0329.jpg
On p.60 of The Lakes in Sunshine, text by James Payn.
printed at bottom:- "KIRKSTONE PASS AND BROTHERS' WATER."
item:- Fell and Rock Climbing Club : 184.29
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evidence:-

old print:- Payn 1867
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Print, uncoloured engraving, Brothers Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, by T L Aspland, published by J Garnett, Windermere, Westmorland, 1867.

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PN0352.jpg
On p.99 of The Lakes in Sunshine, text by James Payn.
printed at bottom:- "BROTHERS WATER."
item:- Fell and Rock Climbing Club : 184.52
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evidence:-

old photograph:- Bell 1880s-1940s

source data:-

Photograph, black and white, Brothers Water etc, Patterdale, Westmorland, by Herbert Bell, photographer, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1890s.

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HB0624.jpg
internegative at lower left:- "H. Bell"
stamped on reverse:- "HERBERT BELL / Photographer / AMBLESIDE"
item:- Armitt Library : ALPS285
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evidence:-

old photograph:- Bell 1880s-1940s
item:- boat; rowing boat

source data:-

Photograph, black and white, head of Brothers Water, Patterdale, Westmorland, by Herbert Bell, photographer, Ambleside, Westmorland, 1890s.

evidence:-

old print:- Bradley 1901
placename:- Brotherwater

source data:-

Print, uncoloured lithograph, Brotherwater and Kirkstone Pass, Patterdale, Westmorland, by Joseph Pennell, published by Macmillan and Co, London, 1901.

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On page 51 of Highways and Byways in the Lake District, by A G Bradley.
printed at bottom:- "Brotherwater and Kirkstone Pass."
item:- JandMN : 464.10
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evidence:-

old postcard:-
placename:- Brotherswater

source data:-

Postcard, photograph, Brotherswater, Patterdale, by J S and S, 1920s?

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PR1766.jpg
printed at upper left of centre:- "Brotherswater"
printed at reverse:- "(Copyright J. S. &S.) / Printed in the County of Saxony / ..."
item:- private collection : 335
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evidence:-

old print:- Pearson 1900s
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Print, halftone photograph, Brothers Water, from the Kirkstone Pass, Westmorland, published by C Arthur Pearson, Henrietta Street, London, 1900s.

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On p.85 of Pearson's Gossipy Guide to the English Lakes and Neighbouring Districts.
printed at bottom:- "BROTHERS WATER, FROM THE KIRKSTONE PASS."
item:- Armitt Library : A1188.39
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evidence:-

old print:- Gresham Publishing 1900s
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Print, colour halftone, Kirkstone Pass and Brothers Water, Westmorland, by Ernest W Haslehurst, published by The Gresham Publishing Co, 66 Chandos Street, London, 1900s?

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PR1564.jpg
Tipped in opposite p.26 of The English Lakes section of a volume of Our Beautiful Homeland.
printed at bottom:- "KIRKSTONE PASS AND BROTHERS WATER"
printed at lower left:- "E. W. HASLEHURST"
item:- JandMN : 381.6
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evidence:-

old print:- Goodwin 1887 (edn 1890)
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Print, etching? Brothers Water, from the Kirkstone Pass, Patterdale, Westmorland, by Harry Goodwin, published by Swan Sonnenschein and Co, Paternoster Square, London, 1890.

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PR1600.jpg
Tipped in opposite p.154 of Through the Wordsworth Country, by William Knight.
item:- JandMN : 382.30
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evidence:-

old print:-
placename:- Brothers Water

source data:-

Print, engraving with lithograph colour? Brothers Water from Kirkstone Pass, Westmorland, 1860s-70s?

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PR0383.jpg
printed at bottom:- "BROTHERS WATER FROM KIRKSTONE PASS."
item:- Dove Cottage : 2008.107.383
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evidence:-

old print:- Pyne 1853
placename:- Brothers' Water

source data:-

Brothers Water drawn by James Barker Pyne, 1848-1853, lithographed by T Picken, 1859.

evidence:-

old print:- Garnett 1850s-60s F
placename:- Brothers' Water

source data:-

Print, uncoloured engraving, Brothers' Water from near Kirkstone Pass, Westmorland, drawn and engraved by William Banks and Son, Edinburgh, published by John Garnett, Windermere, Westmorland, 1850s-60s?

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GAR703.jpg
Included in Views of the English Lakes.
printed at bottom:- "Drawn & Engraved. by W. Banks &Son, Edinr. / BROTHERS' WATER. / From near Kirkstone Pass."
item:- JandMN : 165.3
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evidence:-

old print:- Rose 1832-35

source data:-

Print, engraving, Brother's Water from Kirkstone Foot, Westmorland, by Thomas Allom, engraved by R Sands, 1834.

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"BROTHER'S WATER FROM KIRKSTONE FOOT, WESTMORLAND."
Notice the smit mark on the sheep, two strokes along farside rib?
item:- JandMN : 66.44
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evidence:-

old print:-
placename:- Broadwater

source data:-

Print, uncoloured engraving, A View of Broadwater, ie Brothers Water, Westmorland, engraved by Lodge, published by Alexander Hogg, The Kings Arms, 16 Paternoster Row, London, about 1794.

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PR0222.jpg
It has been suggested that this is from Walpoole's Guide to the Lakes.
printed at caption:- "View of BROADWATER, a LAKE in Westmoreland."
item:- Dove Cottage : 2008.107.222
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evidence:-

old print:-
placename:- Broadwater

source data:-

Print, 3 engravings, A View of Derwentwater ie Derwent Water, A View of Broadwater perhaps Brothers Water, and A View of Winander Mere ie Windermere, Westmorland and Cumberland, engraved by Lodge, published by Alexander Hogg, The Kings Arms, 16 Paternoster Row, London, about 1794.

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BNF23B.jpg
"View of BROADWATER, a LAKE, in Westmoreland."
item:- Dove Cottage : 2007.38.6
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BMY54.jpg From the track to Hartsop Hall.
(taken 5.11.2006)
photograph

BRA08.jpg From about Boredale Hause, Caudale Moor directly behind.
(taken 6.7.2009)
photograph

BTS64.jpg (taken 20.10.2010)

hearsay:-

Once known as Broad Water, its named changed to Brothers Water in 1785 after two brothers were drowned here having fallen through the ice while skating. The event is mentioned by William Wordsworth in The Prelude (book 8 line 231), 1805-06.

The fishing is free; eel, perch, trout, and white fish.

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