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Naddle Forest, Shap Rural
Naddle Forest
Low Forest
High Forest
civil parish:-   Shap Rural (formerly Westmorland)
county:-   Cumbria
locality type:-   forest
locality type:-   hill
coordinates:-   NY495145 (etc) 
1Km square:-   NY4914
10Km square:-   NY41
10Km square:-   NY51
SummaryText:-   Remember that High and Low refer to position, respectivey upstream and downstream.

BZW88.jpg  High Forest,
(taken 16.2.2014)  
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BZW81.jpg  Low Forest,
(taken 16.2.2014)  

evidence:-   possibly old map:- Morden 1695 (Wmd) 
placename:-  Thornthwate Forrest
source data:-   Map, hand coloured engraving, Westmorland, scale about 2.5 miles to 1 inch, by Robert Morden, published by Abel Swale, the Unicorn, St Paul's Churchyard, Awnsham, and John Churchill, the Black Swan, Paternoster Row, London, 1695.
"Thornthwate Forrest"
item:-  JandMN : 24
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evidence:-   probably descriptive text:- Simpson 1746
placename:-  Thornthwaite Forest
placename:-  Thornthwait Forest
source data:-   Atlas, three volumes of maps and descriptive text published as 'The Agreeable Historian, or the Compleat English Traveller ...', by Samuel Simpson, 1746.
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Page 1020:-  "..."
"... The Loder, or Lowther River is a very clear Stream without Mud, which rises in the Broad water Lake near Thornthwaite Forest; ..."
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Page 1021:-  "..."
"... there are divers Forests in the Barony of Westmoreland, as ... Thornthwait Forest, ..."

evidence:-   old map:- Simpson 1746 map (Wmd) 
placename:-  Thorntwate Forrest
source data:-   Map, uncoloured engraving, Westmorland, scale about 8 miles to 1 inch, printed by R Walker, Fleet Lane, London, 1746.
"Thorntwate For"
Tree symbols? 
item:-  Dove Cottage : 2007.38.59
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evidence:-   old map:- Bowen and Kitchin 1760
placename:-  Thornthwate Forrest
source data:-   Map, hand coloured engraving, A New Map of the Counties of Cumberland and Westmoreland Divided into their Respective Wards, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, by Emanuel Bowen and Thomas Kitchin et al, published by T Bowles, Robert Sayer, and John Bowles, London, 1760.
"Thornthwate Forrest"
trees or bushes 
item:-  Armitt Library : 2008.14.10
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evidence:-   old map:- Jefferys 1770 (Wmd) 
source data:-   Map, 4 sheets, The County of Westmoreland, scale 1 inch to 1 mile, surveyed 1768, and engraved and published by Thomas Jefferys, London, 1770.
hill hachuring; hill or mountain 
item:-  National Library of Scotland : EME.s.47
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evidence:-   old map:- Housman 1800 map 4
placename:-  Naddle Forest
source data:-   Maps, hand coloured engraving, Lakes in Lancashire and Westmorland, 7 lakes on one sheet, engraved by McIntyre, Edinburgh, published by F Jollie, Carlisle, Cumberland, and C Law, Ave Maria Lane, London, 1800.
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"Naddle Forest"
item:-  Dove Cottage : 2007.38.97
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evidence:-   old map:- Otley 1818
placename:-  Naddle Forest
source data:-   Map, uncoloured engraving, The District of the Lakes, Cumberland, Westmorland, and Lancashire, scale about 4 miles to 1 inch, by Jonathan Otley, 1818, engraved by J and G Menzies, Edinburgh, Scotland, published by Jonathan Otley, Keswick, Cumberland, et al, 1833.
Label; no trees. 
item:-  JandMN : 48.1
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evidence:-   outline view:- Otley 1823 (8th edn 1849) 
placename:-  Naddle Forest
placename:-  Gurnes
source data:-   Engraving, outline view of mountains, Hawes Water from Measand Beck, drawn by T Binns, engraved by O Jewitt, opposite p.16 of A Descriptive Guide of the English Lakes, by Jonathan Otley, 8th edition, 1849.
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"... (The lower part, which stretches into the lake, is called Gurnes.)"
item:-  Armitt Library : A1180.10
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evidence:-   descriptive text:- Otley 1823 (5th edn 1834) 
source data:-   Guide book, A Concise Description of the English Lakes, the mountains in their vicinity, and the roads by which they may be visited, with remarks on the mineralogy and geology of the district, by Jonathan Otley, published by the author, Keswick, Cumberland now Cumbria, by J Richardson, London, and by Arthur Foster, Kirkby Lonsdale, Cumbria, 1823; published 1823-49, latterly as the Descriptive Guide to the English Lakes.
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Page 28:-  "... Its [Hawes Water's] eastern side is bounded by Naddle Forest, the lower part completely wooded, and surmounted by the lofty Wallow Crag; beyond which the hill side is scattered with aged thorns."

evidence:-   old map:- Garnett 1850s-60s H
placename:-  Naddle Forest
source data:-   Map of the English Lakes, in Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancashire, scale about 3.5 miles to 1 inch, published by John Garnett, Windermere, Westmorland, 1850s-60s.
"Naddle Forest"
item:-  JandMN : 82.1
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evidence:-   possibly fiction:- Trollope 1864
placename:-  Naddale
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chapter 31 Among the Fells  "... at the back of the house [Vavasor, perhaps Thornthwaite Hall] there was a thick wood of firs running up to the top of what was there called the Beacon Hill. Through this there was a wild steep walk which came out upon the moorland, and from thence there was a track across the mountain to Hawes Water and Naddale, ..."
"... But the girls had arranged that immediately after church they would start for a walk up the Beacon Hill, across the fells, towards Hawes Water. ..."
"... The two girls [Kate and Alice] took a slice of cake each in her hand, and started on their walk. 'We shan't be able to get to the lake,' said Kate. 'No,' said Alice; 'but we can go as far as the big stone on Swindale Fell, where we can sit down and see it.' ..."
"... They walked on, exchanging now and then a word or two, till the distant Cumberland mountains began to form themselves in groups of beauty before their eyes. 'There's Helvellyn at last,' said Kate. 'I'm always happy when I see that.' 'And isn't that Kidsty Pike?' asked Alice. 'No; you don't see Kidsty yet. But you will when you get up to the bank there. That's Scaw Fell on the left; - the round distant top. I can distinguish it, though I doubt whether you can.' Then they went on again, and were soon at the bank from whence the sharp top of the mountain which Alice had named was visible.'And now we are on Swindale, and in five minutes we shall get to the stone.'"

BZW89.jpg  cairn, High Forest,
(taken 16.2.2014)  

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