Gents Mag 1848 part 2 p.138

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	Gentleman's Magazine 1848 part 2 p.138 bright, the other allecret, and a demi-suit of bright steel inlaid with gold, over the fire-place, and three full cap-a-pie suits of bright armour against the screen; one a very fine suit temp. Henry VI.another a fluted suit temp. Henry VIII. and the third of Elizabeth's reign? George Clifford the renowned Earl of Cumberland flourished at this time, and was born in Brougham Castle at a time when Brougham Hall did not exist, who died possessed of no more than one suit of armour in Westmoreland. Henry Brougham left five full suits and a demi, certain; besides other demi suits which hang "twelve feet high above the paneling." Majority of iron suits over George Earl of Cumberland seven! Hear'st thou, Mars! - We are then asked how we know these chattels came from Wardour Street. When our statement is contradicted we will give answer to that question; that is the regular way of doing business. Now we will ask Mr. Shaw a question. He says this Thomas Brougham, who was so well off for armour, and who was Lord Brougham, died childless, and was succeeded by his uncle Peter Brougham - of where? We never denied there was a Roman station at Brougham, we only denied it was at Brougham Hall; nor did we say there was not a court-yard at Brougham Hall; we only said the out-offices were not as old as Henry VII. and "grey with the weather-stain of ages;" as to a yard, few houses are without a curtilege of some sort. We doubted the story about the crusader's grave, the sword, the prick-spur, "of intense interest," and Mr. G. Shaw's absolute statement, that a skeleton found in Brougham church was the remains of Udard de Broham, because bones bear neither names nor dates. Not a word is said upon this; but we are handed over to Mr. Albert Way and the gentlemen of the Archaeological Institute. We can have no objection to that - but this is no answer; for these parties can only judge after all of what is placed before them. All our strictures on the chapel are un-noticed, except the well of St. Wilfred, which Mr. G. Shaw says he disapproved of. We cannot find he has; but he gave us a hint we might, if we extended our reading to Chapman and Hall's "Baronial Halls," find this well mentioned: we have no doubt of it. Such recent works as specimens of pictorial art are many of them an honour to this country; but no one ever considered them as much authority in an historical point of view. We never read of it in any standard book, nor ever heard of it before.* We believe we did speak disrespectfully of the horn, and said it was a recent visitor at Brougham. But, instead of contradicting us, Mr. Shaw backs out of it, by asking us a question about tenure by cornage, and does not state about what time this horn was exalted. We have now run over most of Mr. Shaw's answers to the minor points of our last letter, and leave it to your readers to judge whether they are really any answers at all; and we propose next to handle the main points at issue, as to which Mr. George Shaw, instead of answering, "re-insists on the facts detailed in his letter as quite as likely to be true as our ostentatious accusations." 1st. "The Castle of Brougham in ruins was not forfeited," "nor passed from them" (the Broughams, for it is differently worded in Mr. G. Shaw's first and second letter), in King John's reign. We learn from an uncertain bundle, temp. Hen. III. in the Tower of London, that an inquisition of waste was taken on the Veteripont estate during the minority of Robert de Veterippont. "Inq' de vastis fact' durante minoritate sua," in which the house of Bruhame (Bruhame domus) is mentioned as having been suffered to go to decay. From this it is evident the King's licence had not then been obtained to embattle; consequently the castle of Bruhame, if not in existence temp. Hen. III. most assuredly was not so in the prior reign of King John, and therefore could not be forfeited or passed from any one. Indeed this castle is with good reason supposed to have been built by Roger de Clifford in the latter part of the reign of Henry the Third, and the commencement of that of Edward the First, from the inscription formerly
	* We shall be obliged if Mr. G. Shaw will inform us where he picked up this Dr. Markham, prebendary of Carlisle, who says this and that so opportunely about this chapel, &c. in a MS. written in 1680. There was no such prebendary at that time that we can find.
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